I just listened to a podcast interview of Mark Sisson, the author of The Primal Blueprint, and the host of Mark's Daily Apple. The interview was fascinating for me, because as I commit more and more to trying to become as close to ketogenic as I can, while still allowing myself the choice to have a beer on a special occasion, I have been constantly wondering how I will learn and adapt to ketosis and training for events at the same time. So far, because I'm still in the very early stages of transition, and I've had a couple "cheat" days, where I've consumed more carbohydrates at a time than I allow otherwise, I do not think that I've been truly "ketogenic" for periods longer than 5 days in the past 7 weeks that I've been on a paleo diet template.
That said, I've noticed that I feel lighter and faster while running, and even on a day when I did a 5.5 mile trail run, I never felt like I was running on carb-empty. I felt fine, great, actually. But as I go through this process, and actually get back on my bike for more than 8 miles, I am sure that I will start to experience the various ups and downs of low-carb eating and how that may impact what I'm used to with regards to cycling, running, and swimming. Swimming, so far, seems only improved. I can sprint in the pool and feel relaxed, fueled, and fast (relatively, some people's warm-up speeds are my fast). Running, well, I just don't run long enough right now to feel anything but good. Although, I have noticed a difference in the way my muscles react during and after running, and it seems to be changing, and it's difficult to describe.
But cycling...that is a whole different ball game. Cycling leads to bonking. I've bonked hard before, and it isn't pretty. There is nothing worse than being 25 miles from home during a mountain bike and feeling like only an act of god will bring you home. So, I need to go bike. Long. Without a pocket full of gels, but with something. What? That is my question. Apples? Dates? Nuts? A hard-boiled egg? Nothing?
This is one aspect of the paleo-sphere that I'm super interested in -- fueling for the endurance athlete. There is very little written on the subject that I've been able to find that answers the questions I have. But I'm sure there is information tucked in places I haven't found yet. Information like the following excerpt from the interview I linked to above:
That said, I've noticed that I feel lighter and faster while running, and even on a day when I did a 5.5 mile trail run, I never felt like I was running on carb-empty. I felt fine, great, actually. But as I go through this process, and actually get back on my bike for more than 8 miles, I am sure that I will start to experience the various ups and downs of low-carb eating and how that may impact what I'm used to with regards to cycling, running, and swimming. Swimming, so far, seems only improved. I can sprint in the pool and feel relaxed, fueled, and fast (relatively, some people's warm-up speeds are my fast). Running, well, I just don't run long enough right now to feel anything but good. Although, I have noticed a difference in the way my muscles react during and after running, and it seems to be changing, and it's difficult to describe.
But cycling...that is a whole different ball game. Cycling leads to bonking. I've bonked hard before, and it isn't pretty. There is nothing worse than being 25 miles from home during a mountain bike and feeling like only an act of god will bring you home. So, I need to go bike. Long. Without a pocket full of gels, but with something. What? That is my question. Apples? Dates? Nuts? A hard-boiled egg? Nothing?
This is one aspect of the paleo-sphere that I'm super interested in -- fueling for the endurance athlete. There is very little written on the subject that I've been able to find that answers the questions I have. But I'm sure there is information tucked in places I haven't found yet. Information like the following excerpt from the interview I linked to above:
Mark Sisson: It’s entirely possible to be a keto-adapted endurance athlete. I
touched upon this briefly in my Paleo FX talk. One of the things about
being keto-adapted is that it’s really a commitment. And once you’re
keto-adapted and once you’ve made the necessary dietary changes, and
some of the training changes to increase mitochondrial biogenesis and
increase what we call the metabolic machinery that’s involved in using
ketones and ramping up fat metabolism, you can go long periods of time
at a very high output and not have to depend on glycogen stores or an
exogenous feeding of glucose. It takes a little bit longer to do this,
it takes months of training. But there are a number of athletes that are
doing this now, including two of the guys who basically wrote the book
on ketosis: that’s Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek. Both of them are
athletes in their own rights. One is an Olympic lifter and the other one
cycles, century rides. And they do this completely ketogenic. The
problem comes when you think you’re going to be a ketogenic athlete and
then you start to slide into, “Well, maybe I’ll have 100 grams of carbs,
maybe 120 grams of carbs. Because what that does is… the cutoff is
about 60 to 70 grams of carbs a day for an athlete. And once you get
past that, then you shut off the ketosis. And the danger zone is when
you’ve turned off ketosis but you haven’t supplied enough glucose to
take over that new fuel partitioning. So the idea is that you’re either
going to be a sugar-burning athlete taking in 300 to 400 grams of carbs a
day and training for the Spartan races, or you’re going to be 100%
keto and keep the carbs at less than 70 a day. And in that middle ground
lies epic failure for a lot of people. For most people, I would say. So
you kind of have to pick and choose where you want to be. And if you’re
willing to be on the side of that keto-adapted athlete, there is the
possibility that you could drop the weight and the possibility that
you’ll probably perform even better than if you were just depending on
carbohydrate and glucose.
Abel James: So how much time would he have to give himself before a race to get adapted?
Mark: I mean, I think it’s a three to four month adaptation period.
And during that time you have to ramp up your long-slow distance and if
you’re doing trail running if you’re doing a little metabolic
conditioning stuff you have to be very careful about how you do it and
not go into the anaerobic zone too much. Now you can go anaerobic once
in a while and come back down. I’m pretty much a keto-adapted athlete
and I’ll play two hours of ultimate Frisbee on the weekend, and I’ll do a
lot of sprints, but because I have a lot of time to rest in-between,
the way you do in soccer, I don’t feel like I’m depleting glycogen I
just feel like I’m burning fat and I’m able to completely do anaerobic,
ATP-type sprints and recover very, very quickly and easily. I’m usually
the kind of guy that, at the end of a two–hour game, I’m out –performing
everybody because, you know, they’re all toasted. They’re all out of
juice.
Abel: Now, what about carb cycling? That’s something that you used to do a lot of, I imagine, but you probably don’t anymore?
Mark: Well, I don’t do any carb cycling at all. I used to be…I didn’t
even call it carb cycling, I was just at I carb a loaded every day of
my life. I had 1,000 grams of carbs just about every day of my life for
15 or 20 years. And that’s because I was training as hard as I was. In
my running days, that meant 100 to 110 miles a week, in my Triathlon
days it was 50 miles of running and 250 miles of cycling and 25,000
meters of swimming. Plus anything else you had to do in the weight room
and other things, too.
So, in those days, I just slammed down the carbs willy-nilly,
a-la-Michael Phelps at 12,000 calories a day (which I think is a bit of
an over-estimate). In terms of carb-cycling now, if you were a
sugar-burning athlete, and I don’t mean to use the term disparagingly,
but if you’re an athlete who has chosen to continue to rely on glycogen
stores, then it seems that the best way to manage weight an
fuel-partitioning is to do an appropriate amount of carbs, not an
excessive amount of carbs. So if you’re a guy who’s doing one hard
work-out a day, it’s probably appropriate that you take in 250 to 350,
maybe 400 grams, but not much more than 400 grams of carbs per day. NOT
700 or 1,000 or 1,200. And in that regard, you can maintain that
appropriate amount of carbohydrate intake and continue to train the way
you do and, hopefully, in the process, ramp up your fat-burning
machinery a little bit. You won’t be doing much with ketones, but you’ll
be ramping up your fat-burning ability.
Then there’s another group of athletes who are trying to do what we
call ‘train low, race high’. So they train on low glycogen stores, and
they try to ramp up their fat metabolism. Again, they’re still not
really taking full advantage of their keto-adaptation. But they’re
training at low glycogen, and then, days before either a really hard
work-out—maybe one that’s going to have massive amounts of intervals in
it—or the day of a race, they’ll carb-up. They’ll fill their glycogen
stores up. And, again, these are all choices, and I don’t purport to
have the answer. Because if I did, I’d be coaching a world-class team of
athletes. These are choices, and we’re still trying to work out the
variables that give you the best possible outcome for that choice.
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Another good source of information about metabolism and ketosis is found here on Dr. Michael Eade's site, and which I found truly informative.
I'm new to all this, but I'm eager to learn as much as I possibly can. The researcher in me is hungry for information, and I plan to sift through as much as I can.
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Another good source of information about metabolism and ketosis is found here on Dr. Michael Eade's site, and which I found truly informative.
I'm new to all this, but I'm eager to learn as much as I possibly can. The researcher in me is hungry for information, and I plan to sift through as much as I can.
If you haven't yet discovered it, buy "The art and science of low-carbohydrate performance" by Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney. Becoming fully keto-adapted takes some time with no cheating allowed, but once you're there you won't need gel packs or any other sources of fuel on long rides; your own body fat will provide a tremendous amount of fuel, even if you're extremely lean. I can't recommend that book highly enough.
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